I may have asked this like 15 years ago, but I can't find the thread and don't remember getting a satisfying reply, anyway.
When you ask about wines by the glass, and are recited a list of generic grape types, what's the ideal way to get your waiter or bartender to give you actual info [edit: I mean the makers!] re: the wines on offer, without:
1. unintentionally revealing your exasperation at the ridiculousness of the generic grape list, or....
2. leaving the server confused and astonished as to why anyone would want info beyond the grape type, since that's how everyone does it and no customer has ever questioned it before?
I'm looking for something to say which will get them to say what they should have said in the first place, neatly and efficiently, without telegraphing that I think they should have said it differently in the first place (I'm not on a crusade to educate servers, I just want useful info for choosing a wine). Terms like "vineyard" or "maker" or "brand" tend to just confuse people more. If they knew about any of that stuff, they wouldn't be reciting generic grape types at me.
Sounds easy, but, twenty odd years in, I still haven't mastered it. Have any of you?