Looking for Oktoberfest in a fun place other than Alpine Village or all the way up in Big Bear. Been there done that and it's not all that IMHO. Driving/distance not a factor. Now I'm undecided between Red Lion in Glendale, Old Vienna in Ventura, or Knolls Black Forest. The last two which I've never been to. Looking for great Oktoberfest beer, food & atmosphere. Thanks folks.