In the spirit of RST's "this thread is moving to far off the side of the page" I am continuing up here, a thread going on down there on giardinara.
Gary mentions that Carm's is the only place he knows that produces a "non-traditional" giardinara with its beef. By non-traditional, he means a giardinara not dominated by chopped sport peppers in cheap oil.
Now, Gary mentions Al's in the same post, and so he knows of at least one other "non-traditional" giardinara, Al's, dominated by chopped celery (or maybe fennel) and red pepper flakes.
Ricobenes used to serve a strange kind of pepper that reminded almost in shape and taste of okra. Somehow, and it has been a while since I've even eaten there, I do not remember them still serving it.