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Lemon Curry

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Lemon Curry
Lemon Curry commented 12 years ago

Actually, this year they explicitly stated that any requests submitted between January 1st and the middle of the month would be considered in the same light ("as having been sent in the first moment" is the way they phrased it). Perhaps that's the reason for the unusual delay - the window fr applications was much longer than years past?

 
Lemon Curry
Lemon Curry commented 12 years ago

Thanks for the interpretation - it suggests there is still hope!

Nonetheless, has no one heard (or heard of someone hearing) about getting in this year?!

For the last 3 or 4 years, acceptances have started to trickle out a month after the application deadline (an acceptance on 12/5 last year would have been one of the later ones).

 
Lemon Curry
Lemon Curry commented 12 years ago

Has anyone had anything but rejections so far? Any friends-of-friends who've got in? Unlike in years past, it seems that absolutely no one (here, on egullet, or anywhere else online, as far as I can tell) has had a positive reply, and it's been 1 1/2 months since the application period ended (by which point most people have usually heard).

A friend and I have unanswered requests, so I emailed Luis to see when acceptances were due to go out and, amazingly, he actually replied (message below).

Short version: it seems that they are now booked up for the year.

So is that it? No online foodies managed to get in at all this year?! The announcement of the temporary closure came after the deadline, and usually elbulli are great at replying to every single request.

Any thoughts?

We are living a big problem since there are not enough options for all the people who try to visit us for the first time as well as the customers who wish to return. We try to look for the most possible of solutions and taking the problem with a lot of care and respect, but our capacity for one season is very limited and we are surpassed by the demand that we received even at the first moment.

Now we do not have any more options but we must confirm all the reservations ten days in advance. We will take care full time to see if there are changes that permit us to find some solutions more. A waiting-list is not possible because it would be endless but, if you wish, we will be at your disposal to check the situation.

Has anyone had anything but rejections so far? Any friends-of-friends who've got in? Unlike in years past, it seems that absolutely no one (here, on egullet, or anywhere else online, as far as I can tell) has had a positive reply, and it's been 1 1/2 months since the application period ended (by ...

 
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Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

Raising carnivores is also more feed-intensive than raising herbivores: instead of feeding on relatively plentiful vegetation, they have to be fed on the animals which eat the vegetation and then concentrate those calories into meat. So, overall, you get a smaller mass of meat at the end with the carnivores then if you were just eating the herbivores. This inefficiency could be one reason the practice of raising carnivores for food never really took off.

 
Lemon Curry
Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

also, willpowder.net sells sodium alginate and calcium chloride, for a lot cheaper. I did an edible demo of this ( http://willpowder.net/caviar.html ) mango caviar last weekend for a kids' national chemistry week event, and they were really blown away by how cool and tasty spherification can be.

The Alinea cookbook that just came out has recipes for large-scale spheres, rather than caviar: For exampe, ginger spheres made by filling hemispherical molds with ginger juice and calcium lactate mixture, then placing the frozen hemispheres in a warm sodium alginate bath, gelling the outside as it thaws.

also, willpowder.net sells sodium alginate and calcium chloride, for a lot cheaper. I did an edible demo of this ( http://willpowder.net/caviar.html ) mango caviar last weekend for a kids' national chemistry week event, and they were really blown away by how cool and tasty spherification can be....

 
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Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

Or to bypass any effort whatsoever, an open jar of fluff and an open jar of peanut butter, and a spoon.Tastes like Monday afternoon!

 
Lemon Curry
Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

If it's not one of the methods moh mentioned, it could be some sort of "spherification" a la el bulli using sodium alginate and a calcium chloride bath, but if the outside was crusty they may have done something in addition to alginating the outside.

 
Lemon Curry
Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

and I bet your employee discount makes for some sweet shopping, too.

 
Lemon Curry
Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

yeah, a British pint is about 20 oz, or 1.25 American pints. So 2/3 of a British pint is closer to 14 oz., or nearly an American pint,

 
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Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

I want to be Herve This, the French chemist who with Nicholas Kurti invented molecular gastronomy (the academic pursuit, not the culinary movement). Make science all day long and use it to help people understand why food is the way it is, and cool new things to do with it. And also collaborate with a bunch of really creative, forward-thinking chefs.

 
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Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

Dufresne would be awesome, and I wouldn't mind moving to the English countryside if I could live next door to Heston Blumenthal- "hey, try this insane thing I just invented! and here, have some triple cooked chips to go with it!" and then we would have a pint at his pub.

 
Lemon Curry
Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

Wow! I'll have to try this, if I can hide it from my boyfriend who is terrified of milk. Thanks for sharing all your work!

 
Lemon Curry
Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

oh man, mediocre, microwaved apple pie with mediocre vanilla ice cream is so good you can hardly tell it's bad.

Also, pudding. Even terrible pudding is still ok, and brings me back to my snack-pack childhood...

 
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Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

Totally. What I was referring to above were, basically, what you just said: possible perceived differences based on a few different things: total ration of fat, protein, etc, versus microscale structures of fat and protein, or the presence of various organic compounds which could give, say, a grassy or oniony note. It sounds like you have a lot more practical experience in this area than me, who is waiting for the day when I can do this rather than read about it.

anyways, science is awesome. but not as awesome as eating!

Totally. What I was referring to above were, basically, what you just said: possible perceived differences based on a few different things: total ration of fat, protein, etc, versus microscale structures of fat and protein, or the presence of various organic compounds which could give, say, a gra...

 
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Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

Bacalao al Pil-Pil! Its Basque! Basically, you very slowly poach soaked salt cod in garlic infused-oil, and the gelatin that comes out of it helps emulsify the oil into a sauce.

see http://www.saveur.com/article/Food/Sa...

 
Lemon Curry
Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

I haven't done double-blind or anything, but I have noticed your initial assertion before, too. If I may ask, where was your milk from (I see you we are both east coast, but likely have quite different milk supplies)? It would be interesting to see if someone could identify what causes this phenomenon- my hunch is either concrete differences in protein/fat content, or differences is the colloidal microstructure of the milk, or perhaps, as Maria Lorraine pointed out, an actual flavor difference.

Anyways, thank you for sticking up for your assertion and also edifying us!

I haven't done double-blind or anything, but I have noticed your initial assertion before, too. If I may ask, where was your milk from (I see you we are both east coast, but likely have quite different milk supplies)? It would be interesting to see if someone could identify what causes this pheno...

 
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Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

Perhaps a quibble, but:
If there is a non-"placebo effect" taste/texture difference between two similar products, this arises from a difference in physical or chemical composition and thus is, in fact, a scientific difference. The two burgers, for example, may have different levels of denaturation of muscle proteins, and the stored carrot will certainly have undergone changes in sugar and water levels in three weeks. Our tongue, our taste buds, and our olfactory receptors are all, essentially, highly sensitive instruments to differences of these types. Flavor and texture all arise from physical makeup and chemistry, and differences in them are in fact measurable if you know what to look for and have the right equipment.

Regarding Organic vs. Conventional milk, it could easily be the case that two samples may appear "identical" via rough analysis of protein, water, and fat content, but a rough analysis doesn't take into account specifics of individual groups of molecules, or of microstructure (this is how the melamine-tainted milk scandal happened in China: basic tests for, say, protein content look for Nitrogen, which melamine also contains, but don't go much more specific than that because it gets expensive). So, one or the other may have a different microstructure of fat bubble size, or may contain very small amounts of organic compounds which would be expensive to identify but are nonetheless perceptible in small amounts to the human palate.

Perhaps a quibble, but:
If there is a non-"placebo effect" taste/texture difference between two similar products, this arises from a difference in physical or chemical composition and thus is, in fact, a scientific difference. The two burgers, for example, may have different levels of denaturati...

 
Lemon Curry
Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

If you are not in the habit of autoclaving your chili, then it is not bacteria-free. BUT, as long as what you are eating does not contain or has not come into contact with undercooked poultry, you are unlikely to have an environment where salmonella or campylobacter (responsible together for 79% of cases of food poisoning) will propagate. So, personally, I don't sweat it, but I realize I am still living somewhat dangerously.

 
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Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

you're welcome! I'm happy to encourage any kind of open-minded culinary exploration, and I can sympathize with your budget-consciousness as well.

 
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Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

Perhaps I am just pedantic, but ALL food is chemical food, given that "chemical" describes a specific arrangement of particular molecules and ALL matter is made of molecules. Everything you eat is a chemical: water is a chemical, sugar is a chemical, proteins are chemicals. By simplifying for children the complexities of choosing a food that is wholesome and/or nutritious into the false dichotomy of "chemical" and "Nonchemical", Hanrahan and other educators - including writers, nutritionists, etc, who adhere to this sort of breakdown- do a disservice to their audience's understanding of their food and of science. A chemical in the general sense is absolutely nothing to be afraid of, but calling some of what we eat "chemical food" because certain compounds it contains are undesirable reduces a complex problem to a falsely simple one and encourages a fearful attitude towards the sciences. Not a great idea if your motive is to really educate!

Perhaps I am just pedantic, but ALL food is chemical food, given that "chemical" describes a specific arrangement of particular molecules and ALL matter is made of molecules. Everything you eat is a chemical: water is a chemical, sugar is a chemical, proteins are chemicals. By simplifying for chi...

 
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Lemon Curry commented 13 years ago

Cool. thanks for the advice, I thought VAT might be included but couldn't remember from my last trip which was a while ago.. And I'll be sure to leave my tip in cash! (I try to do it in NYC too, where waiters are supposed to get all their tips but some managers skim off the top...)

 

I'm taking advantage of a trip to England this fall and will be eating at the Fat Duck in Bray. I'm a student with a tiny income so it will be something of a splurge-meal for me, which is cool, but I'd like to be able to plan for a budget that won't leave me broke for the rest of the trip. What I'm wondering is, in high-end restaurants in the UK, what does tax and tip usually come to on top of the bill? I live in New York so I'm used to adding 25% to the top of the food total; is it like that at restaurants in England too?

I'm taking advantage of a trip to England this fall and will be eating at the Fat Duck in Bray. I'm a student with a tiny income so it will be something of a splurge-meal for me, which is cool, but I'd like to be able to plan for a budget that won't leave me broke for the rest of the trip. What I...

 
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Lemon Curry commented 14 years ago

Hydrocolloids are a family of substances made up of polymers, long-chain molecules which form a network in water and give it thickened or gel-like properties. Some more popular ones are gelatin, tapioca, cornstarch, and agar-agar, which many of you probably have in your kitchens, especially if you cook cold desserts or certain Asian cuisines. Some more "exotic" ones are xanthan gum, carrageenan, methylcellulose, guar gum, etc. The majority of these are derived from natural sources - agar-agar and carrageenan are from seaweed, guar gum from beans, gelatin from rendered animal bones. A number of these have been in use for centuries: agar-agar and konjac flour in Japan, for example.

On the topic of thickeners in ice creams, one of the oldest frozen desserts still being consumed is the Turkish/Mediterranean ice cream Maras Dondurma, which traditionally uses the long-chain carbohydrates found in certain orchid roots as a thickener instead of eggs. It's difficult to find the ingredients outside of Turkey, but I've made it and it works quite well. And the concentration of thickener is very small - around the scale of a teaspoon for a quart of ice cream. I don't have any resources for other types of thickeners but I believe there are a number of websites dealing with them online - this one http://www.cybercolloids.net/recipes/... seems like more of an industrial-type formulation of ice cream, but you can see that the concentrations of hydrocolloids needed is very low.

One website which is a good resource for unusual specialty products is http://www.willpowder.net/ which sells things like xanthan gum, methylcellulose, and agar-agar, as well as other interesting chemicals like sodium alginate for spherifying liquids.

I don't often buy commercial ice cream because frequently, additives are overused so that an inferior product can be passed off as a richer, creamier, better-made one. However, these products have interesting specific properties which, when used responsibly and for a specific purpose along with other high-quality ingredients, can achieve delicious foods. For example, an excellent, thick ice cream which does not taste like egg, if that is what you are looking for, or a gelatin which does not melt at high temperatures. The important thing is to keep an open mind, keep exploring, and recognize that irresponsible overuse of products is not the same as a bad product.

Hydrocolloids are a family of substances made up of polymers, long-chain molecules which form a network in water and give it thickened or gel-like properties. Some more popular ones are gelatin, tapioca, cornstarch, and agar-agar, which many of you probably have in your kitchens, especially if yo...

 
Lemon Curry
Lemon Curry commented 14 years ago

The Sammy's Halal cart on Broadway and east 4th does an excellent sandwich. I've detected a definite ginger note in their chicken, along with the already-mentioned spices.

 
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Lemon Curry commented 14 years ago

don't fear the hydrocolloids! I don't know specific preparations/amounts/brands you should use as thickeners, but in NYC both Ciao Bella and Il Laboratorio del Gelato use (I believe) carrageenan instead of eggs to get REALLY delicious, dense, fantastic ice cream that isn't eggy.
I would challenge anyone who thinks thickeners have no place in good ice cream to take a trip down to orchard street and prove me wrong.

 
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Lemon Curry commented 14 years ago

In the timeless words of Amy Sedaris, it's basically bong water.

 
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Lemon Curry commented 14 years ago

This was exactly what I was looking for. I stumbled across Rosa Mexicano with a visitor last week and we ate about $25 worth of guacamole, and I can't wait to go to Tony Dragona's, as I am a big fan of Sammy's Halal downtown and carts in general. When I get a bit more liquid I'll be sure to check out Jubilee for mussels.

thanks!

 

Having recently relocated the northeastern edge of midtown from the East Village, I am now a little lost when it comes to where to grab a bite, and there isn't a ton of info out there about everyday eating in this particular area.

So, I am looking for suggestions in the 50's and 60's roughly east of lexington: anywhere from best hole-in-the-wall sandwich shops and diners to fancier fare. Really, I don't even know where to get good coffee (no Mud truck, I presume).

I know about ess-a-bagel and the Indian row on 58th. Some other place I've seen (but not tried yet) are the Moonstruck Diner on 58th, Les Sans Culottes East, Bruce's Bakery on 56th & 1st.... are these any good?
So, my esteemed colleagues in eating, please steer me in the right direction!

Having recently relocated the northeastern edge of midtown from the East Village, I am now a little lost when it comes to where to grab a bite, and there isn't a ton of info out there about everyday eating in this particular area.

So, I am looking for suggestions in the 50's and 60's roughly ...

 
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Lemon Curry commented 14 years ago

if we're being technical about it:

omelettes are supposed to really be about egg; adding milk kind of loosens up the texture and can get it watery.

but getting a soft enough texture with egg alone take a lot of practice, which is why lots of people add milk.