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TombstoneShadow

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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

FWIW, for Americanized Chinese food in general I like a plainish wheat beer best. Heavier beers clash with most Asian dishes IMO. In wines Riesling often works with Chinese. FWIW.

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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Without parsing what "wine snobs" means, I'll assume it translates to something like "those who really know wine will 'prefer reds'".

Here's my experience: the first good bottle of wine I ever had was a Chalk Hill chardonnay... and I just experimented from there... this varietal, that varietal... with NO REGARD for pairing with food.

Eventually, as with the title of this post, I found myself gravitating more towards reds. They're richer, more dramatically flavored (in their own way), and have that brilliant hue in the glass... And that went on for a few years.

Until one day a friend brought a bottle of gewürztraminer to a Thai BYOB dinner. That was it... still one of the most impressive food/wine pairings I've ever experienced. From that moment forth... to me it's been all about pairing food and wine... because for my palate regardless of how good any single wine is on it's own, it's better paired with the correct food, and frankly a poor beverage paired with the wrong food. Because at least to my palate this is 100% true, I have absolutely no preference red / white / dessert / sparking, etc. It just comes down to what makes for the best drink with the meal at hand.

That's a long way of saying in a sense I agree with the subject line... that I do see neophytes gravitating to red wine, but eventually I think that fades away when you start pairing wines correctly. Interesting topic.

Without parsing what "wine snobs" means, I'll assume it translates to something like "those who really know wine will 'prefer reds'".

Here's my experience: the first good bottle of wine I ever had was a Chalk Hill chardonnay... and I just experimented from there... this varietal, that varietal...

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Sorry, but I must admit that I loved the first 10 paragraphs of this tome... but when I scrolled ahead and realized I had another 40 paragraphs to go, I began to lose interest....

The core rant of this post, to the extent I understand it, is that there is a disconnect between wine aficionados and Johnny-come-lately "experts"... and the whole online social media situation is another twist in the whole thing...

But as I was reading all this I realized that there is enough information being shared, in real time... that the worries and regrets of any one person or person doesn't mean much

Sorry, but I must admit that I loved the first 10 paragraphs of this tome... but when I scrolled ahead and realized I had another 40 paragraphs to go, I began to lose interest....

The core rant of this post, to the extent I understand it, is that there is a disconnect between wine aficionados ...

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Totality of dish, yes.... but in the burger world, the meat and cheese (optional) still predominate...

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Can't believe there aren't more recs for the Map Room, and no recs for the Hop Leaf ?? Those are the top 2 micro-brew bars in Chicago IMO.

Also great is the Clark Street Ale House at Clark and Chicago Ave.

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Any rich red will work to a greater or lesser extent... but the one most obvious common wine denominator linking both lamb and beef is Cabernet... Second choices would be zinfandel or syrah.

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

I'm not aware of any claim that good Root Beer has hop flavoring. To that extent maybe the term "beer" is unfortunate. Because, for example, a fruit-infused beer usually retains the hoppy beer "base" and just infuses some fruit. Whereas it looks like the RB may never really have a hoppy beer as it's base...

... but the other question is, does it need to have pronounced hop flavor in order to be considered a "craft" -brewed product? I personally don't think so.

That said, I can accept the possibility that this stuff may be little more than "syrup" added to a purified alcohol base, rather than a skillfully fermented brew of various roots and herbs. What about Kuhnhenn's version, and others out there... are they all just syrup and grain alcohol?

I'm not aware of any claim that good Root Beer has hop flavoring. To that extent maybe the term "beer" is unfortunate. Because, for example, a fruit-infused beer usually retains the hoppy beer "base" and just infuses some fruit. Whereas it looks like the RB may never really have a hoppy beer as i...

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Interesting about NYFRB... Now, what about this description of Coney Island RB:

"To extend the argument over whether these things are beer or not, the promotional material for Coney Island Hard Root Beer states, “Coney Island Hard Root Beer is a beer made with all natural, traditional root beer flavors. It begins with 2-row malt, caramel malt and European hops. It then undergoes a secondary fermentation with additional sugars and ale yeast, which is filtered to develop the perfect root beer base. From there we add the final all natural flavors from the best ingredients available, including Madagascar vanilla.” Sure sounds like beer, but it’s an FMB."

Is that a "real" beer or a malternative?

Interesting about NYFRB... Now, what about this description of Coney Island RB:

"To extend the argument over whether these things are beer or not, the promotional material for Coney Island Hard Root Beer states, “Coney Island Hard Root Beer is a beer made with all natural, traditional root bee...

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Nice backgrounder... So has root beer ever been made in a manner similar to "real" beer? Or is the malternative approach the traditional way it's made?

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Nice concept, and as the author notes, given the aging these are fair prices.

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Curious, is your opinion based on actual tasting or a bias you have against flavored beers?

Reading up on the history of RB it seems that it has historically been brewed with and without alcohol, so offering an alcohol version is bringing back an interesting traditional flavor that alot of people like.

I have no bias and just go with my palate. I've found good-tasting beers infused with fruit, coffee, chocolate, pumpkin, bourbon, and other flavorings... Re Root Beer I'm hardly alone, the distributor for this entire region is out of NYFRB.

Curious, is your opinion based on actual tasting or a bias you have against flavored beers?

Reading up on the history of RB it seems that it has historically been brewed with and without alcohol, so offering an alcohol version is bringing back an interesting traditional flavor that alot of pe...

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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

White is easy: first choice is your favorite chardonnay. Most whites work here to a greater or lesser extent.

Red: not so easy. First choice is probably a rose champagne, I'd prefer it over a still pinot noir.

Please report back.

 

Have been enjoying the new wave of alcoholic root beers for awhile.

Results of recent tasting: Root Sellers Hard RB vs. Coney Island RB. Tasted blind... Hands down the Coney Island was the winner. Tastes very much similar to an NA RB. The Root Sellers had a strange flavor element, like a "botanical" that didn't really fit the formula and had it deviating from a classic RB flavor.

Another excellent one: Not Your Father's RB... will taste it blind vs. Coney Island if and when the distributor gets more in stock.

Have been enjoying the new wave of alcoholic root beers for awhile.

Results of recent tasting: Root Sellers Hard RB vs. Coney Island RB. Tasted blind... Hands down the Coney Island was the winner. Tastes very much similar to an NA RB. The Root Sellers had a strange flavor element, like a "bot...

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Well I wouldn't from memory describe the SNHH as tasting like a skunk smells...

I use the term loosely, would more precisely describe it as "stale" or "swampy"; if it doesn't linger it's just a brief interruption in the overall taste profile.

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

"100" means different things to different scorers of course.

I'd say it could legitimately be awarded to any wine you felt "would be hard to improve on" and/or "is a benchmark rarely reached for the style".

In this wine-benchmarking context, I don't personally think "perfect" is a requirement for a 100 score.

Thanks for raising the issue.

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

I usually don't have a cocktail prior to a nice meal with wine...

Why do it? You're ordering some round(s) of appetizers anyway, and you're matching wine to the apps... the cocktail doesn't really fit in anywhere.

If anything, I might have it as a nightcap, but after matching wines with 4 or more courses, a glass or two for each, who needs a nightcap?

interesting post, thanks for bringing up the topic.

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Without reading the article, I'm an unapologetic RP fan...

... when I started tasting wines in the mid-80's his books were hands-down the best wine references out there for real-world wine shopping... region by region, varietal by varietal, producer by producer... I would often take a Parker Annual to the wineshop with me and just walk aisle by aisle, using Parker's books almost as if I was in a library...

I might not agree with all of his tasting notes, and his "rating" process may have become somewhat corrupt or corporate over the years, but none of this detracts from what he contributed to the industry and to individual drinkers, especially in his early days...

Definitely true, the larger the figure, the bigger the target, and Parker-bashing now seems quite fashionable.

Without reading the article, I'm an unapologetic RP fan...

... when I started tasting wines in the mid-80's his books were hands-down the best wine references out there for real-world wine shopping... region by region, varietal by varietal, producer by producer... I would often take a Parker ...

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

So this raises the question of keg vs. bottle conditioning.

...What process explains why some beers age very nicely in the bottle whereas others fall flat or otherwise lose their great young flavor quite quickly?

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Skunky probably means slightly different things to different tasters. In fact I can't describe it but I know when I taste it... perhaps sourish/stale or what I might envision swamp water to taste like? And my tasting notes are almost exclusively mouth-based, not purely aromas. I find that beer, as with wine, often tastes quite different than it smells.

But the key for my palate is that "skunkiness" as I define it is not a total negative if it is brief and then evolves into other flavors... as with HH, for my palate it had "slight" initial skunkiness... I only find it a major negative if it's the predominant and lingering flavor note, which certainly wasn't with SN-HH.

Skunky probably means slightly different things to different tasters. In fact I can't describe it but I know when I taste it... perhaps sourish/stale or what I might envision swamp water to taste like? And my tasting notes are almost exclusively mouth-based, not purely aromas. I find that beer, a...

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Follow-up: Tried Calling IPA out of the bottle again in blind tasting vs. Odell Myrcennary, a perennial favorite brew.

I paired these two because they both have a fuller flavor spectrum than, say, a typical bitter-dry Stone pale ale.

As with prior bottle tastings, while I like Calling from the bottle, it's more singularly dry than the version tasted on tap.

Have to explore why that is so... could it just be the decanting the beer gets when pouring from a tap?

 

Last Saturday had a chance to slip over to a favorite micro-bar and try a nice range of 6 pale ales on tap. Set up a couple sampler flights, not tasted blind.

The candidates: Stone Ruination Regular 2.0, Sierra Nevada Hop Hunter, Stone Ruination Double-Dry Hopped, Stone Ruin-Ten, Deschutes Fresh Squeezed, and Boulevard Calling.

Results of tasting: Flight One Semi-Finals

Ruination Double-Dry: nice. bittersweet. Smooth semi-rich texture. Not overwhelmingly bitter.
Sierra Hop Hunter: Slight skunkiess... more lingering dryness. Nothing notable, just a mouthful of dryness
Ruination 2.0: Okay, but definitely prefer the double-dry hopped version above... it's richer with wider flavor range.
Ruin-Ten: Flavor is okay, just lacks brightness and flavor not distinguished.

Clear winner of flight one: Stone Ruination Double-Dry Hopped... bartender says this is the "only keg in the State". Very glad I happened to drop in when it was tapped.

Results of tasting: Flight Two Semi-Finals

Deschutes Fresh Squeezed: Bright, sort of a non-complex singular taste
Boulevard Calling IPA: Delicious. A bit foamy. Complex, sweet, fruity, mild bitters.

Clear winner of flight two: Calling IPA.... Beats DFS mainly on basis of complexity.

Results of tasting: Flight Three, Finals: Ruination Double-Dry vs. Boulevard Calling

After a few sips there's no contest... Calling IPA is the winner here... it's a matter of Calling's complexity vs. RD-D's more pronounced bitterness. Calling is just a more imaginative brew. Superb on tap.

I'm a bit surprised by this, when I first tasted Calling in the bottle it was great, but some blind tastings had it falling behind other stalwarts... However on tap it blew everything away at this tasting.

Last Saturday had a chance to slip over to a favorite micro-bar and try a nice range of 6 pale ales on tap. Set up a couple sampler flights, not tasted blind.

The candidates: Stone Ruination Regular 2.0, Sierra Nevada Hop Hunter, Stone Ruination Double-Dry Hopped, Stone Ruin-Ten, Deschutes Fr...

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

For wine: riesling or gewurztraminer... for beer, your favorite wheat beer: konig ludwig is a favorite of mine for this type of cuisine.

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Interesting... Fuller's Porter with "rich" meat dishes... in my mind's palate I'm liking that, but proof is in the tasting...

But otherwise, the proposition that beer pairs better than wine with food is pretty far off.

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Not sure how "up and coming" it is, but for a great rich underappreciated red you can find at good prices, Malbec.

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Wish them well, they have some tremendous competition in every direction... they will have to really deliver flavor to compete IMO.

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

The tagline on the article says it all "drinking bland beer for 100 years"... that's looking in the rear-view mirror. I'd say that the U.S. has more than made up for those years of poor beer, and now the U.S. offers more great beers than any other country... can't think of a close 2nd. What other ingle country produces great wheats, PA's, stouts, barleywines, belgians, all in the same country?

And judging by my friends who up until a few years ago were dedicated drinkers of the most worthless swill, at least 1/2 of them have picked up on great micro brews and wouldn't go back.

The tagline on the article says it all "drinking bland beer for 100 years"... that's looking in the rear-view mirror. I'd say that the U.S. has more than made up for those years of poor beer, and now the U.S. offers more great beers than any other country... can't think of a close 2nd. What other...

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Wasn't sure what I'd see when I opened your link... will it be a "smoky" type BBQ, or a BBQ-sauced dish?

It's really neither, what I see emphasized there are notes of chili's and cilantro... with quite alot of pineapple....

For that recipe, 100% I'd go riesling or gewurztraminer. Will be lovely, please report back.

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 6 years ago

Hi Wineup:

Don't know why I didn't recommend this to you earlier... it's so obvious...

For Dish 3, your salad, assume you serve chardonnay for your Dish 2, then keep it on the table and substitute Brie or Camembert for the Feta. If you serve riesling for Dish 2, then substitute Emmental for the Feta. That way your white for Dish 2 can carry over nicely for the Dish 3 course.

 
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TombstoneShadow commented 7 years ago

1: First choice cabernet, second probably zinfandel

2: Chicken dish: chardonnay, kabinett riesling

3) Salad: don't see a great match there. Feta favors red wines, the veggies all favor whites... the wines for your chicken dish will work reasonably well.

4: Dessert: Late harvest riesling or sauternes

Overall these are quite nice pairings and I think it will be a delicious meal. Please report back.