just bought some wernesgruner pils and can't believe how great it is. it's the best german/ foreign pilsner i've had in the states, somehow standing up to the time on the boat/ plane. highly highly recommended - it has genuine pils flavor and smell!
also ran across weihenstephaner's weizenbock "vitus" and love it. it's got that bubblegummy thing that i just love and doesn't have any of that banana stuff that i dont like in hefeweizens.
just thought i'd share how great these are.
i'd like to know about other good weizenbocks folks like and can find in the states...