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Kosher

Artichokes

jpr54 | May 3, 201807:28 AM 9
Italy Kosher Rome Artichoke

I am confused about article in NY Times about artichoke dish in Rome.

Is This Artichoke Kosher? Rome Defends a Classic Jewish Dish

Since an Israeli rabbi put the kibosh on Jewish-style fried artichokes, Italian Jews have mounted a fierce defense of their beloved treat.

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  1. thegforceny And....? What about it? Maybe link to the article?

    And....? What about it? Maybe link to the article?

    1. f
      ferret The article about the "alla Giudia" controversy? Basically, the dish that is said to have been originated in Rome takes a whole...

      The article about the "alla Giudia" controversy? Basically, the dish that is said to have been originated in Rome takes a whole artichoke with the top trimmed off, flattens it against a hard surface and then fries the flattened artichoke whole.

      While all produce is Kosher, there is an added burden for some items to inspect and ensure that the produce is free of bugs and parasites, which may not be Kosher. Although there are bugs that are considered Kosher, (e.g. certain grasshoppers and worms) most are not, so strictly observant individuals will inspect lettuce leaves, certain berries and other non-smooth produce for the presence of bugs. In the article, one Rabbinic authority believes that the structure of the artichoke lends itself to the presence of bugs/worms that may lurk between the leaves. Another authority believes that the tightly-packed nature of the leaves precludes such infestation.

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      1. erica re: ferret Was the kibbosh only on the dish, or on all artichokes that by their nature, are difficult to inspect? Can't almost any fresh fruit...

        Was the kibbosh only on the dish, or on all artichokes that by their nature, are difficult to inspect? Can't almost any fresh fruit or vegetable have some kind of parasites hiding within? Swordfish often has worms but I believe most authorities pronounce the fish as kosher since it had scales when young, no?

        1. f
          ferret re: erica Parasites in fish are a different thing entirely (some acceptable/some not) and swordfish is not kosher by Orthodox standards

          Parasites in fish are a different thing entirely (some acceptable/some not) and swordfish is not kosher by Orthodox standards

        2. j
          jpr54 re: ferret Yes that is the article What is confusing me the dish is not kosher AND the artichoke alone not kosher

          Yes that is the article
          What is confusing me
          the dish is not kosher
          AND the artichoke alone not kosher

          1. f
            ferret re: jpr54 Artichokes are Kosher but cannot be certified for consumption whole because of the concern that bugs may be residing between the...

            Artichokes are Kosher but cannot be certified for consumption whole because of the concern that bugs may be residing between the leaves. You can buy frozen/canned artichoke hearts or bottoms which are perfectly acceptable as kosher because there is no issue of hidden bugs.

            1. erica re: ferret Thanks. But what about fish that often have worms that can not be detected easily? Just curious..

              Thanks. But what about fish that often have worms that can not be detected easily? Just curious..

              1. f
                ferret re: erica As with all things related to Kosher certification, it's complicated: https://oukosher.org/blog/the-certification-of-specific...

                As with all things related to Kosher certification, it's complicated:

                https://oukosher.org/blog/the-certifi...

        3. j
          jpr54 https://www.haaretz.com/amp/world-news/europe/.premium-rome-s-jews-fume-after-israeli-rabbinate-bans-staple-dish-1.5976677

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