We are four <ahem> middle-aged women who want to meet for an after-work drink in San Francisco. One of us works near Van Ness and Market and two of us at the other end of Van Ness near Aquatic Park, so we'd like to stick to the Van Ness corridor area. We are not super-trendy but also not fuddy-duddies, so want a place with some zip but not too crowded and noisy that we can't talk. One woman suggested the "new" Trader Vic's (where Stars used to be) but I think it might be too staid (and expensive)? Suggestions? Thanks!