I still do not get it. I ordered the basic cheese burger, medium rare, onion strings and a milk shake. The burger came out almost well done and the bun was falling apart half way through the burger, the burger did not have a great meaty taste like some of my other favorite places. The onion strings were the highlite of the meal, real real good! The milkshake was good but not amazing. I think I need to stick to my favorites, 26 Beach, Cassell's, Yanaki's, Art's and Fresh & Meaty. I just met someone who works at 8oz, so I will be checking them out soon, I plan on going to Father's Office in Culver City next monday. I will report back on my findings, this is Burger Boy signing out!